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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Okay to Grow Up</title>
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	<description>A delicate blend of sarcasm and spite.</description>
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		<title>By: Longasc</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-118104</link>
		<dc:creator>Longasc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 12:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting observation! For new players the current batch of MMORPGs is a lot better than what I played as I started, UO and EQ.

But it definitely did not keep up with me, and I feel not TOO OLD with 32 years! It is about time that someone thinks about the mmo addicted kids that have grown up and designs a MMO for elderly people for them. Not so much kidding, I am dead serious.

The x-th deviation of the EQ formula just does not do it for me anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting observation! For new players the current batch of MMORPGs is a lot better than what I played as I started, UO and EQ.</p>
<p>But it definitely did not keep up with me, and I feel not TOO OLD with 32 years! It is about time that someone thinks about the mmo addicted kids that have grown up and designs a MMO for elderly people for them. Not so much kidding, I am dead serious.</p>
<p>The x-th deviation of the EQ formula just does not do it for me anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Pixel Park &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Through the noise</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-89689</link>
		<dc:creator>Pixel Park &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Through the noise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;It&#8217;s Ok to Grow Up&#8220;, MobHunter compares how he moved on from Sesame Street when he grew older, to how people [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mobhunter.com &#187; The Crucible Called WAR</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-88424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobhunter.com &#187; The Crucible Called WAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that Warhammer Online&#8217;s arrival, more so even than Age of Conan&#8217;s, is showing who has outgrown the classic fantasy MMORPG and who still enjoys the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeromai</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-87583</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeromai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. Well said. Grow up. Move on. Get out of your comfort zone. Figure out what makes a game fun for you, and go look for those games. There are a ton of MMOs on the market - some large-scale commercial (like WoW, WAR, LOTRO, etc.), some on a smaller scale, some free, some indie, etc. Nothing wrong with playing a game for a few months, and switching to another when it gets boring or you&#039;ve grokked the pattern. Eventually, you&#039;ll narrow down the type of game you like playing or you&#039;ll realize you just love change and figuring out new games or both.

I&#039;ve always been boggled by complainers who make no secret that they HATE a particular game, but refuse to leave, and/or only want to play an exact clone of it. Ten years ago, I had friends on a diku-type SMAUG mud who loathed it, but wouldn&#039;t branch out to try other types of MUDs - no, they only wanted to play other SMAUG muds, and then sulked when it wasn&#039;t as good as the original. Present day is no different. If you&#039;re tired of the &quot;holy trinity&quot; sort of MMO, then why are you running around whining that you can&#039;t be a &quot;pure healer&quot; in some other game?

The more things change, the more people stay the same. Guess it&#039;s fear of change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. Well said. Grow up. Move on. Get out of your comfort zone. Figure out what makes a game fun for you, and go look for those games. There are a ton of MMOs on the market &#8211; some large-scale commercial (like WoW, WAR, LOTRO, etc.), some on a smaller scale, some free, some indie, etc. Nothing wrong with playing a game for a few months, and switching to another when it gets boring or you&#8217;ve grokked the pattern. Eventually, you&#8217;ll narrow down the type of game you like playing or you&#8217;ll realize you just love change and figuring out new games or both.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been boggled by complainers who make no secret that they HATE a particular game, but refuse to leave, and/or only want to play an exact clone of it. Ten years ago, I had friends on a diku-type SMAUG mud who loathed it, but wouldn&#8217;t branch out to try other types of MUDs &#8211; no, they only wanted to play other SMAUG muds, and then sulked when it wasn&#8217;t as good as the original. Present day is no different. If you&#8217;re tired of the &#8220;holy trinity&#8221; sort of MMO, then why are you running around whining that you can&#8217;t be a &#8220;pure healer&#8221; in some other game?</p>
<p>The more things change, the more people stay the same. Guess it&#8217;s fear of change.</p>
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		<title>By: MMORPG - MMOCrunch - World of Warcraft &#187; Growing up is hard to do&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-87029</link>
		<dc:creator>MMORPG - MMOCrunch - World of Warcraft &#187; Growing up is hard to do&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Danuser has tossed up some interesting thoughts, as always, on his Moorgard blog. This time they relate to how growing up and moving on from a game [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Growing up is hard to do&#8230; &#171; Geek Critique</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-87028</link>
		<dc:creator>Growing up is hard to do&#8230; &#171; Geek Critique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is hard to&#160;do&#8230; Posted in Games, Online by Rob on August 13th, 2008   Steve Danuser has tossed up some interesting thoughts, as always, on his Moorgard blog. This time they relate to how growing up and moving on from a game [...]</description>
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		<title>By: makkaio</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-85697</link>
		<dc:creator>makkaio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some friends and I created a shit-talking motto for when we were not playing so well during our high school basketball games.  It goes like this:  

&quot;It&#039;s not the game that sucks...it&#039;s you.&quot;

And that&#039;s what you&#039;re saying here in a nutshell.  While that&#039;s not always true, and games do suck sometimes, a game is, as you say, what it is.

Most power gamers...a group from which I&#039;m retired as made evident by my early exit from AoC...learn to play a game for what it is.  We learn the rules that are stated and unstated, and we play the game.

We don&#039;t sit back and wish a game to be a certain way.  While others are doing that, we&#039;re studying the way a game is and learning how to make due.  That&#039;s the fun for us.  Serious game issues aside, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some friends and I created a shit-talking motto for when we were not playing so well during our high school basketball games.  It goes like this:  </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not the game that sucks&#8230;it&#8217;s you.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying here in a nutshell.  While that&#8217;s not always true, and games do suck sometimes, a game is, as you say, what it is.</p>
<p>Most power gamers&#8230;a group from which I&#8217;m retired as made evident by my early exit from AoC&#8230;learn to play a game for what it is.  We learn the rules that are stated and unstated, and we play the game.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t sit back and wish a game to be a certain way.  While others are doing that, we&#8217;re studying the way a game is and learning how to make due.  That&#8217;s the fun for us.  Serious game issues aside, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanker</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-85507</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to derail, but if all you&#039;re doing in Eve is quests and trading... you&#039;re missing a big part of it.   I don&#039;t play, so take this with some portion of salt, but my friends who do all spend their time flying around together blasting ships to smithereens, letting those who enjoy it do the building/mining/etc. for the &quot;guild&quot;.

About the post, I agree, for the most part, though I wish it weren&#039;t so.   I&#039;ve recently given up on classic MMO&#039;s, simply because they take too much of my time when I play them.  I&#039;ve found others like http://www.ogame.us-- web-based MMO&#039;s -- can be a good deal more fun per minute spent playing.

All that time in EQ, DAOC, EQ again, WoW... it just seems silly to have to spend so much time to get to the &quot;fun&quot; parts of these games.  I used to tell people, &quot;if it&#039;s not fun, why are you playing?&quot;  I finally took my own advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to derail, but if all you&#8217;re doing in Eve is quests and trading&#8230; you&#8217;re missing a big part of it.   I don&#8217;t play, so take this with some portion of salt, but my friends who do all spend their time flying around together blasting ships to smithereens, letting those who enjoy it do the building/mining/etc. for the &#8220;guild&#8221;.</p>
<p>About the post, I agree, for the most part, though I wish it weren&#8217;t so.   I&#8217;ve recently given up on classic MMO&#8217;s, simply because they take too much of my time when I play them.  I&#8217;ve found others like <a href="http://www.ogame.us--" rel="nofollow">http://www.ogame.us&#8211;</a> web-based MMO&#8217;s &#8212; can be a good deal more fun per minute spent playing.</p>
<p>All that time in EQ, DAOC, EQ again, WoW&#8230; it just seems silly to have to spend so much time to get to the &#8220;fun&#8221; parts of these games.  I used to tell people, &#8220;if it&#8217;s not fun, why are you playing?&#8221;  I finally took my own advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Shwayder</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-85503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Shwayder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to agree with jason about EVE. I&#039;m playing EVE right now, and I&#039;m moderately enjoying it. But, it is in no way a logical &quot;graduation&quot; for World of Warcraft players. It&#039;s wholly different in almost all aspects.

A logical WoW-graduation game would be something like going from &lt;em&gt;Harry Potter&lt;/em&gt; (J.K. Rowling) to &lt;em&gt;The Dark Elf Trilogy&lt;/em&gt; (R.A. Salvatore). Then graduating from Drizzt, you might find yourself reading Elric of Melniboné (Michael Moorcock), though the line there is less clearly defined than the former example.

What you&#039;d really need for a true graduation MMO from World of Warcraft would be a more complex and &quot;all growed up&quot; fantasy game -- not boobs and blood like Age of Conan, but something deeper both in theme (content) and gameplay (mechanics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to agree with jason about EVE. I&#8217;m playing EVE right now, and I&#8217;m moderately enjoying it. But, it is in no way a logical &#8220;graduation&#8221; for World of Warcraft players. It&#8217;s wholly different in almost all aspects.</p>
<p>A logical WoW-graduation game would be something like going from <em>Harry Potter</em> (J.K. Rowling) to <em>The Dark Elf Trilogy</em> (R.A. Salvatore). Then graduating from Drizzt, you might find yourself reading Elric of Melniboné (Michael Moorcock), though the line there is less clearly defined than the former example.</p>
<p>What you&#8217;d really need for a true graduation MMO from World of Warcraft would be a more complex and &#8220;all growed up&#8221; fantasy game &#8212; not boobs and blood like Age of Conan, but something deeper both in theme (content) and gameplay (mechanics).</p>
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		<title>By: Will You Grow Out of Your MMO? &#124; Wolfshead Online</title>
		<link>http://www.mobhunter.com/?p=271&#038;cpage=1#comment-85384</link>
		<dc:creator>Will You Grow Out of Your MMO? &#124; Wolfshead Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Moorgard&#8221; Danuser brought up a thought provoking point on his blog this week. He contends that MMO&#8217;s focus on a certain type of demographic. He used [...]</description>
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